Ever feel like a deep discussion?

[Takeda-qeuto]

I just wondered. Randomness is wonderful but has anyone here wanted a good philosophical debate? -___-
Or maybe i'm the only loser who thinks so.

Maybe this should be the "deep and meaningful" corner of the forum, hidden away amongst ..... murdoc-worshipping -____-
Or maybe it shouldn't and we should enjoy the non-seriousness here.

[Solus26]

i agree with you takeda, i fink we should have a deep conversation.. why dont we start one here?...hmmm..wot about... the meaning of why we are here. Well from my teachinging i have learnt that the reason we come here is to grow and learn about everything in life in any way as everything we do leads us to spiritrual growth. See, we see birth as life and death as the end when really birth is death and death is birth as when we are born our soul is buried in an earthly body and our souls are at their shortest abilitys and when we die our soul is released from its prison and is able to fly free with new found abilities and rests until it is buried once more. Knowing others is intelligence, knowing yourself is true wisdom. Mastering others is strength, mastering yourself is true power. ;D

[Takeda-qeuto]

That is VERY, VERY deep stuff.
Personally I thnk we don't have a purpose set out for us in the beginning but must find one of our own. Truly, you don't need a "big" purpose in life, do you? To try to justify why we are here is foolish, rather we should enjoy each day as a seperate entity and find the small things that bring us pleasure. Some people say only dreamers believe this, those people call themselves "realists". I call them disillusioned. Sure, we do have to have some amount of planning for the future, but i think it's more about happiness and, as you said, spiritual growth, than what one accomplishes in a lifetime.

(( XD I feel so smart. Normally the extent of intelligence in my posts is wasted on making double entendres.))

[Solus26]

good one, we grow through the experiances and influences we get in life, some are good , others are bad but we change and mold into what our world gives us, like the media for example, they make an image of women as skinny, confident, sexy creatures who in order to receive attention have to be perfect { plastic surgury, etc } and the young girls want to be like those women to receive the benefits. Usually the media portray women as nothing more than lust objects and that is usually conjured with negative energy such as lust not love and only for sex and nothing else. We are influenced with everything even if you dont realise it like if you watch violence alot you will grow to be inconsiderate of other peoples pain and misery and sometimes see it as funny... see? cause that misery is not happening to you... selfishness = pain = suffering to yourself and everyone around you. Everyone absorbs everything around them, if you suffer, the people around you will suffer.

[Takeda-qeuto]

This is very true..... but then again the world can not be blamed for all of life's problems, for example: A child watches a violent show. Ten years later the child is an oppressed and bullied teenager, who reacts in a columbine-like shooting. Can the TV show be blamed for the child's
reaction, the parents for showing their naive child such programming, the bullies for pushing the kid? Or is it the fault of the child for being so malleable and vulnerable as to imitate what he saw? But i wholeheartedly agree about the portrayal of women in the media, the women magazines show us as beautiful are nothing but collagen and silicone dolls of ideal beauty....The women in the media i find most beautiful are people like Pink..... she always appealed to me as a woman confident in herself who would never succumb to the pressures of Hollywood and fame... you see these girls like Nicole Richie or the Olsen twins who have wasted away to be "beautiful" under the eyes of hollywood.... and teenage girls imitate this,
thinking that this is how they are supposed to look. I have had so many female friends with eating disorders it's not funny. One one hand, the media can be blamed, but at the same time, it is the vulnerability and helplessness of children to know the truth from what media tells them..... It's like blaming suicides on listening to metal or Emo music.... The music simply made a suggestion which the already depressed mind of a youth, which he then acts on...... The media can be held responsible, but they did not put this lack of willpower in the kid's head.....

[Solus26]

but as i said, everyone absorbs... like a sponge... humans are both strong and weak.. strong for his will, intelligence, power..but weak for his strength, selfishness, greed and so forth. No one is to blame for how people turn and mold.. it shouldnt even be called ' blame '.. its hard to explain but humans have to teach themselves to block out these negative influences on a sub consious and consious level such as turning over the channel if you feel uncomfortable or not reading porn magazines... man is weak when it comes to such things because the world is constantly changing meaning he has to adapt constantly leaving him vunerable. we call negative energies ' the abyss' and i could talk forever on this subject.. but now we should change it, well will keep it deep.. hmm.. wot about war? wot do you think? ...and uh..if its not too much a problem...could you raise my karma please...thanks for discussing this with me and for that i shall raise your karma to 1 ;D

[Takeda-qeuto]

Ah, but you work out Man to be a much weaker entity than he is... in each individual there is an immense amount of willpower that can be tapped into, and though the humans of the present have lost much ability to block out these negative influences it's up to the individual to use that strength.... so it is no more to blame the influence as the person themself...... We are not so weak and impressionable as that. Negative energies may affect us but the world around us can not rule our lives...... They will only do such if we allow them in....
Sure, let's talk war..... War is mankind's foolishness thinking he can 'fix' the world around him.... but what's your view on it?
(and sure, have a karma boost. But i honestly pay no attention to the karmas, ^___^)

[Solus26]

THANKYOU TAKEDA { hugs } O____o... ok..war, deep thinking in your last post but war.. well if you've noticed war, its about religion, yeash it might seem like its politics or my your land is my land things but its religion thats hiding away.. i mean, the christians have been at war with the muslims since the year dot and the israiles and pakastanies have been at eachothers throats since adam whas a boy. all war is is my god is mighter than your god thing.. yeah.. wtf... hmm... what do think about.... you think of a subject... o-o

[Takeda-qeuto]

Thinking about it, religion has caused war since the dawn of religion..... In the end, how does one belief differ from another? As someone without any clear religion (even atheism is a religion of a sort, and i don't class myself as an atheist) I can't see the logic in any organised system of beliefs. Perhaps we're straying back to our subject from before, but the only guiding force i feel necessary is the strength within na individual. People who are weak or lost think that the religion is what is making them strong or enlightened, when in reality it's their own inner strenght. I suppose some people need to use a god or an afetrlife as a catalyst to awaken their deep-buried strength, but if one chooses to have a religion it should be a personal experience and not something forced upon other beings..... the thought that your belief is right and anyone else's is wrong is pure egomania. When humanity learns to respect one another and quits thinking that they can fix another place by telling them the "right" way to live, there will be no war.

[Solus26]

and with the god things i see that god is within everyone, within every tree, every rock, every living thing there is god, not some dude sitting in a chair with a beard , i see him, she and it as the force and circle of life, death and rebirth in every aspect both here and there.and everywhere where life exisits or not, a restless energy of endless love, who never rests, constantly stirring, swirling, and changing....into and out of nothing and into everything.. wow.. these convos are deep.. I SHALL RAISE YOUR KARMA

[Takeda-qeuto]

I don't think there's one solitary force of a "god" but a million forces..... I can't me a monotheist no matter how hard i try.... And omnipotent and omnipresent force doesn't appeal to me.... I'd like to think of life as a sort of beutiful shaos, overlooked and controlled by nothing..... each thing has a life force, a life of its own, a beautiful existence, but these existences aren't overlooked or known or watched over by anything..... it's up to the individual as I keep re-stating...... Although, afterlife-wise, i would like to believe in reincarnation. It makes sense to me that in this divine chaos, this sort of beautiful mess, that the soul, with nowhere else to go, would re-form as something else as all other matter does. Doesn't a law of science state that matter can neither be created or destroyed? And a soul is a type of matter, right? Just as nothing can cease existing physically, only be re-shaped into something new, a sould is re-shaped into a new person.... cleaned up and wiped free and given a new chance just as we recycle something tarnished into something new......
(( Hehe, yeah i was thirsting for some philosophy.... I'm a saggitarian and we love to debate..... Don't worry 'bout the Karma I never pay attention to it anyways ^__^ And it won't let me up your for a while.))

[Solus26]

wow...you've learned well and i agree, the soul is never destroyed it just grows and changes into a higher stats everytime and some souls fall as it depends on the choices the soul makes during its time on earth eg: a soul would fall if that person murdered someone but will rise if they donated their kidney. it also depends on lifestyle choices too such as prostituetion and gangs and so forth, but always remember that they sometimes make the choice and sometimes have that put upon them but ether way they can escape that if they chose to . and with war, its the part of man kind which is proberly the most violent and primative, i know this poem thing i read once.. i cant really remember it ver well but here it goes...

One soldier resigning from duty, sir
as i have served my country well
and even though ill leave my family
and will be put into camps to sell
i will watch over them from up here
as ive spent my time in hell.

{{ sad poem }} O___O

[Rashionized]

hey, can I barge in? Hope I'm not disturbing but a deep conversation sounds kinda good =).
Just wanted to say, science has never really accepted the existence of soul. So does the soul fall subject to its law? Sure there's; take for example, Newton's Law on gravity that is obeyed by practically every matter here on earth but Newton's Law seems to built around what is already there. Not to mention all those things science says have been here since the beginnings of time, but only with development and technology have we realized its role in our lives. And there's still a lot more left to be discovered.
Yea the soul changes as it grows, but it also accumulates...say, points? If not, why else would you have a soul? The mind itself can already decide what's good and what's bad. The idea of reincarnation is pretty romantic, to be able to start anew and all...but what about the memory of the soul, if it does indeed get recycled. Does it get itself erased as easily as a PS2 memory card? (TRI-EDGE!!! MUST, HAVE!!)
...yeah I'm a religious person. Just that I don't act like one =D

[Solus26]

i am too, rashionised. that is why we are dicussing this here, where we can. do you follow a religion? everyone follows a different path, and each must take alone =D

[Rashionized]

yes I do follow my religion. but unfortunately it is very misunderstood right now in the western world, due to some people who chose the wrong path. This is very sad.

what if the path that you choose affect other people so drastically; and in a negative way at that. Would you change your path when you're barely halfway done?